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Submitted by: DiRF
Comments: 15  (Read/Post)     Favorites: 0  (View)
Submitted on: 06-09-2012
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I still believe the 747 is one of the most elegant looking passenger jets ever built...

...in comparison, I think the A380 is a bulging monstrosity with Jennifer Garner-levels of high forehead and a ridiculously huge tailfin.


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#1
6-09-2012 @ 01:36:52 AM
Posted By : wannabemustangjockey  Reply | Edit | Del
You're not the only one who believes that.

#2
5-20-2013 @ 10:50:34 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
Another plane came to mind... maybe I just think high-flightdecks are stately and handsome on a plane... but the Antonov AN225 is supremely elegant in appearance, as well. :)

#3
8-17-2014 @ 01:10:43 AM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
Sadly, it looks like this plane is becoming a flop. All the money invested into modernizing it, to make it competitive, and they can't sell the damn thing.

Aesthetics be damned, airlines care about cost effectiveness, even if that means going with the ungainly A380. Dammit.

So with this, and the 787 having its rather notorious battery problems, if Boeing doesn't get on the ball soon, they may be finished. The only thing saving them right now are the (for now) reasonably decent 777 sales, and the upcoming 737NG... but even the 737NG may be outdone by Airbus' Neo lineup, and the A350 may kill the 777's competitiveness.

From my own personal experience on domestic flights, and my mother's experiences on numerous trans-Atlantic flights, we have always preferred the way it feels to ride in a Boeing... Airbus planes just don't feel as smooth or confidence-inspiring... but that could be personal bias... it just sucks that Boeing appears to be dropping the ball with no light at the end of the tunnel.


#4
8-17-2014 @ 01:29:31 AM
Posted By : wannabemustangjockey  Reply | Edit | Del
The high-profile 777 incidents in the media lately don't help either.

#5
8-17-2014 @ 01:49:37 AM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#4, Unfortunately, the three main recent incidents were due to gross negligence/error by the flight crew, a complete unknown, and an airline being the only one to refuse to change their flightplans due to a violent proto-civil-war... but, yeah, those still make the plane look bad.

#6
8-17-2014 @ 07:05:39 PM
Posted By : motopsycho Reply | Edit | Del
Plane aesthetics has so much to do with the airliners. I fly about 15- 20k miles a year on OneWorld Alliance and Virgin periodically. Virgin was my first A330 experience and since then it has become my choice plane now due to common seat configuration and space. Things are changing now though with the "main cabin plus" type seating, but I still prefer A3x0s. Dirf - you should check out flyertalk.

[Edited by motopsycho on 8-17-2014 @ 07:06:17 PM]


#7
8-17-2014 @ 07:16:32 PM
Posted By : motopsycho Reply | Edit | Del
edit - Virgin / A320

#8
8-17-2014 @ 07:26:48 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#6, I dunno... diving into a forum where people discuss planes way more than I even think about them... I'd be swallowed up, and my lack of detailed knowledge would rear its ugly head.

#9
5-21-2017 @ 08:12:39 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#3, Check that, it appears A380 orders are starting to dry-up, as well.

The notion of "humongous jetliners are better" has gone by the wayside. Very large, but not grotesquely-large planes like the 777, 787 (its battery problems now sorted), A330, and A350 are proving to be far more cost-effective and flexible in terms of scheduling for fluctuating trends in passenger-numbers.

...and I'm happy to say that the 737MAX is proving to be VERY popular, with over 3000 firm orders on the books to be built.


#10
5-21-2017 @ 08:57:36 PM
Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck Reply | Edit | Del
#9, The 737 is an underappreciated workhorse, not the biggest, not the most graceful, not the most advanced, but like a Nissan Altima, a large portion of the world uses them to get around and they work so well no never really notice them. There will be 737 airframes flying long after the last 747 hull is retired.

Really, the only place "bigger is better" still reigns is in locomotives, kidna.

The GEVO and SDAC series are behemoths compared to the units they're replacing, but the power plants inside actually are smaller than the previous generation by a couple of cylinders for fuel economy reasons, (real time computer tuning means you don't waste fuel at "cruising" speeds) the extra room inside is devoted to ease of maintenance and crew comfort.


#11
5-21-2017 @ 09:04:59 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#10, Looking those up... there really has been no real evolution of locomotive styling in the last few decades, huh? Admittedly, there isn't much you can do to differentiate them... I imagine they all have to look like that for packaging and whatever aerodynamic concerns there are. Besides, no one orders a fleet of locomotives for their aesthetic appearance...

...not anymore *has visions of the art deco era of steam engines*


#12
5-21-2017 @ 09:16:51 PM
Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck Reply | Edit | Del
#11, The biggest change has been the "Crew Cab", look at any engine up to the early 90's and they'll have the stub nose and walk-around front, that was done away with and the whole front end enclosed to give the crew more room and fit the electronics. Aside from that, US freight locomotives haven't evolved much from the original GP7, being industrial equipment, form follows function to a large degree. Steamliners have historically been maintenance nightmares because all the pretty styling complicates repair work.

#13
8-20-2019 @ 08:20:05 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#9, Well, fucking hell, Boeing totally dropped the ball again, this time with the aforementioned 737MAX >_<

If Boeing doesn't get their shit straight soon, Airbus will eat their lunch.

[edit] If anyone's interested, this is a pretty decent video on Airbus' start. https://youtu.be/ln-ffJM9sJc (For that matter, Mustard makes damn good videos full stop)

[Edited by DiRF on 8-20-2019 @ 08:21:28 PM]


#14
11-01-2020 @ 01:24:13 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
Interesting, I've read some pontification that the 747-8 was never intended to be a huge success, or even make a profit... it was a "break even" project intended almost solely to distract Airbus into putting even more reinvestment into the dead-end A380 project, rather than focusing on widebody twinjets. Based on how much money Airbus wasted on trying to develop the A380 freighter, neo, Plus and Stretch over that timeframe, Boeing's plan may have actually worked.

It appears the 747-8 will "break even" because of its freighter version, which is still selling. All passenger 747 sales are dead.


#15
2-03-2022 @ 08:29:24 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#14, Just when I think Boeing has a never-ending string of fuckups (787 batteries going boom, 737MAX crashes, ultimate failure of the 747-8 program, some airlines refusing to take delivery of planes from their shoddy Alabama factory, endless delays to the 777X, trying to get the Bombardier C-Series banned in America which led to it becoming the hugely successful Airbus A220, etc…), they finally get a [small] win due to an Airbus fuckup.

Qatar Airways, one of the largest in the Middle East, has been in a bit of a spat with Airbus over unexpected paint/surface corrosion on their A350s. Airbus, in a very unprofessional manner, went nuclear on them in the court of public opinion. In response, Qatar has essentially cancelled ALL current and future orders for Airbus aircraft, and have now replaced those orders with HUGE volume purchases of 737MAXs and 787s, and it's rumored they may make a large commitment to buying 777Xs.

It's not a balance of power-shifting win, to be sure, but a win is a win.


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