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URL: http://riceornot.ricecop.com/?auto=40901	Submitted by: Disrupture
Comments: 20 (Read/Post) Favorites: 0 (View)	Submitted on: 06-02-2005
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Description: 1986 Buick LeSabre Grand National (?)

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#1	6-02-2005 @ 05:36:29 PM
Posted By : Hoopd87	Reply \| Edit \| Del
Nice find. These are pretty rare, but almost all modifications were purely cosmetic. The T-Type package replaced it


#2	6-02-2005 @ 10:00:04 PM
Posted By : Adambomb	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#1, Speaking of that, I saw a late 80s Lesabre T-type today.


#3	6-02-2005 @ 10:04:10 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
These were "used"* in Nascar for a short while, on a limited basis... *term used loosely.


#4	6-02-2005 @ 10:05:02 PM
Posted By : Adambomb	Reply \| Edit \| Del
Yeah I have several Lesabre nascar diecasts.


#5	6-02-2005 @ 10:08:58 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#4, Lemme guess, all made by Matchbox?


#6	6-02-2005 @ 10:10:39 PM
Posted By : Adambomb	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#5, One matchbox and a couple Maistos I think.


#7	6-02-2005 @ 10:16:42 PM
Posted By : Hoopd87	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#6, Same here. So Dirf, oh master of NASCAR, what was up with this car being used? I dont remember the 80's well.


#8	6-02-2005 @ 10:20:12 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#7, It was one of the first Nascar racecars "based" on a FWD car... which continued Nascar's downward slide away from production cars... some teams were experimenting with what kinda cars were better aerodynamically, or which were better on gas... Some teams found these LeSabres were better in one aspect or another in certain situations... so they were used ever so often... but when the FWD Regals came out, teams abandoned using the LeSabres since using racecars based on the shape of the FWD Regals was really no different.


#9	6-02-2005 @ 10:22:55 PM
Posted By : Hoopd87	Reply \| Edit \| Del
Gotcha. So when did Buick finally bow out of NASCAR? What about Olds?


#10	6-02-2005 @ 10:24:01 PM
Posted By : Adambomb	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#9, Yeah I've always wondered that myself.


#11	6-02-2005 @ 10:27:15 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#9, I'm not sure of specifics, but I know it was in the early to mid '90s... The Lumina and FWD Grand Prix had bodyshapes that were as good, if not better, than the FWD Regals and Cutlasses, and Chevy and Pontiac provided much better support to teams... so, unlike with Pontiac in 2004, where GM officially withdrew the division's support from Nascar racing, Buick and Olds were pretty much abandoned by the teams themselves...


#12	6-02-2005 @ 10:31:51 PM
Posted By : Adambomb	Reply \| Edit \| Del
I just posted the question to rec.autos.sport.nascar. Hopefully someone there knows the exact year.


#13	6-02-2005 @ 10:33:07 PM
Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck	Reply \| Edit \| Del
Couldn't have been too long after 87' when GM dropped the G-body platform and RWD Cutlasses and Regals went extinct.


#14	6-02-2005 @ 10:36:35 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#13, Well, teams still used the FWD Cutlasses and Regals... Rob Moroso won the '89 Busch championship driving a car "based" on the FWD Cutlass, Brett Bodine won a Cup race in '90 driving a car "based" on a FWD Regal, and I have a photo of Harry Gant winning a race with a severely beaten-up car "based" on the FWD Cutlass.


#15	6-02-2005 @ 10:38:28 PM
Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#14, Someone in the BUSCH series as late as 99' was driving a T-bird that used to belong to, I think, Jimmy Spencer


#16	6-02-2005 @ 10:46:29 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#15, Yeah... but recently, Nascar is really trying to crackdown on teams using older models, moreso than in years past... even in Busch.


#17	6-02-2005 @ 10:47:31 PM
Posted By : Hoopd87	Reply \| Edit \| Del
I should enter NASCAR with a LeSabre...:p


#18	6-02-2005 @ 10:54:21 PM
Posted By : DiRF	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#17, sigh The "good 'ole days" are long gone... can't just showup with some different car and compete... the make and model of racecar has to be approved for Nascar competition 6 months before the start of the season, and with common templates and other bullshit like that, it wouldn't be much of a LeSabre... Whilst I've grown tired of the bullshit in the technical part of the sport, I still love the racing itself, and the personalities of the drivers.


#19	6-02-2005 @ 11:22:43 PM
Posted By : Adambomb	Reply \| Edit \| Del
Ah.....here we go "Buick's last year was 1991. Oldsmobile's last year was 1992." http://tinyurl.com/7zgfw


#20	5-12-2006 @ 07:09:41 PM
Posted By : Skid	Reply \| Edit \| Del
#18, I long for the days when guys like Smokey Yunick just jumped in in a modified production car with basically no sponsorship.

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