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URL: http://riceornot.ricecop.com/?auto=55391
Submitted by: 427 Vette
Comments: 27  (Read/Post)     Favorites: 0  (View)
Submitted on: 09-04-2006
View Stats Category: Car
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The 2007 Dodge Avenger

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#21
4-21-2018 @ 02:49:56 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#20, Seriously. Now the Journey is the cheap, horrible Chrysler product that is sold in large numbers yet will totally vanish after a few years.

Speaking of which, when's the last time anyone's seen a Caliber?


#22
4-21-2018 @ 04:22:02 PM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#21, As an add-on to that comment... I was a Mopar fanboy most of my life... I truly believed they were the most innovative of the "Big 3", with the most interesting cars... but the last 20 years have been... difficult. They've narrowed down their various lineups into very specialized, niche segments... and even with that kind of focus, the cars aren't particularly good...

...and they aren't updating their damned cars, either. While they may have some "newer" vehicles like the 2019 Ram pickups, 2018 Jeep Wrangler, the Fiat-based Jeeps, and the relatively-new Town & Country Pacifica, ChryCo currently has the most incredibly aged lineup of vehicles in the industry... and it really REALLY shows. It's fucking embarrassing. Doesn't matter HOW much power you shove under their hoods, they're just not competitive in EVERY other respect.

They did well in the '90s, with their well-received LH cars, the highly-appealing Neon [in the short-term, at least], their minivans were still the industry leaders in engineering/design for that segment, and the PT Cruiser was on the horizon [despite its long-term reputation, it was very revolutionary for its time]... but then big daddy Daimler came by with false promises, bled them dry, and dumped them bankrupt in a gutter. Ugh.


#23
4-22-2018 @ 01:26:41 AM
Posted By : ricerocketboy Reply | Edit | Del
I will agree. However, I do feel that both Mitsu and Mercedes both took advantage of them, though. Both brands were having trouble in some market segments. Mitsubishi needed them to break into the US market, so they sold captive imports. In 2000s, Mercedes needed help doing a second-gen ML, and Jeep wanted to gradually move the Grand Cherokee upmarket, and Dodge and Chrysler wanted a better fullsize car. Both companies ended up losing massive amounts of money in their deals, leaving Chrysler in a bind.
In regards to the Caliber thing. I see maybe 3 or 4 a day here, usually beaten to shit. The next common cheap car I see is the firs-gen 300 and Charger. (cont.)


#24
4-22-2018 @ 01:28:11 AM
Posted By : ricerocketboy Reply | Edit | Del
My biggest problem with Chrysler is their dealers. Every single Dodge dealer I've been to, the salesperson is an asshole, or they get all pissed off when I don't expect to buy a car right here, right now. I wasn't intending to buy a new car, but apparently it was uncalled for that I dare not look at a new car if I wasn't buying it.

#25
4-22-2018 @ 11:17:42 AM
Posted By : DiRF  Reply | Edit | Del
#23, I disagree with you on Mitsubishi. Did they take advantage of their relationship with Chrysler? Yes. Did they harm Chrysler in the long-run through doing that? Absolutely not. They provided Chrysler with not only whole cars, but powertrains and other engineering to give Chrysler a "head-start" on producing their own, domestic economy cars.

Daimler only wanted Chrysler's capital. In return they gave some token engineering and platform-sharing on a very limited scale. The more I read up on the LX-platform, the more it appears there was way more modified-LH-engineering in there than aged-E-Class-engineering... so even that doesn't have as much Daimler-assistance as I thought. Once Daimler burned through all of Chrysler's legacy money leftover from the '90s, they dumped them. As a former Mopar fanboy, it STILL pisses me off.


#26
4-22-2018 @ 07:49:59 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#21, I've never seen Calibers in large numbers, though I still see quite a few of these Avengers around.

#27
4-22-2018 @ 11:58:24 PM
Posted By : ricerocketboy Reply | Edit | Del
#25, Fair enough. Though, my view might be tainted because my experience with Chryslers hasn't exactly been stellar. I grew up with minivans and Intrepid, neither category which was particularly trouble free.

I did a little experiment today. I counted Calibers and Avengers I passed and made note of where they were.

I saw 17 Calibers today. 13 of which were in a not-great area. I saw 22 Avengers, about half of which were on Buy-Here-Pay-Here lots, including three Avengers with flat tires, and other signs of sitting for awhile.


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