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on: 05-22-2006
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| #21 |
5-25-2006 @ 01:29:59 AM |
| Posted By : Dadol21 |
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#19, Because we all know everyone tries to drive on ice at 70mph.
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| #22 |
5-25-2006 @ 01:32:33 AM |
| Posted By : Altima35se2003 |
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#21, that's how canada drives. Due to a perpetual downslope, our dogsleds can get up to that speed. My Altima came with a Six Dog team, 2.5's in Canada have a 4 dog team.
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| #23 |
5-27-2006 @ 05:04:01 AM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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#19, That's what brakes are for. Driving at 70mph on ice is a stupid thing to do anyway.
And I dare say that a good rally (not racing) driver could avoid these obstacles.
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| #24 |
5-27-2006 @ 10:12:52 AM |
| Posted By : Kranium |
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#23, I suspect that most people aren't rally racers. And you don't need to be driving 70mph on ice, you could be driving on the highway and hit an ice patch, but it doesn't matter. The system works at every speed. The only way it might be a hindrance sometimes is if you can't shut it off. Complete lack of one is a BAD thing.
LOL @ dogsled guy.
[Edited by Kranium on 5-27-2006 @ 10:13:37 AM]
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| #25 |
5-27-2006 @ 10:45:01 AM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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There is a certain...purity in cars that don't have a lot of electronic nannies to step in and take over when you do something dumb. Cars like the Ford GT, Porsche's 911 GT3 (traction, but no stablity control), and the old Ferrari F40 are examples of this philosophy. These are not the same kinds of cars that you would drive every day, through rain, snow, hail, on gravel, etc. Although I'm sure stability control is nice and all, it is not something I actually want on a car--it surely makes the car easier to drive, but it also makes the limits somewhat less clear. I'm sure there are many other people who would agree with this, and the rich ones are the target audience for cars like the GT.
Yes, the new Z06 is a better deal, and it I'm sure it has all the electronic absurdities anyone could ever want (just like any other Corvette). The GT is a more limited production automobile, destined for a relatively short run, and it looks like a race car. Different audience.
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5-27-2006 @ 11:57:27 AM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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How many of its owners are actually going to drive the thing hard enough to do that with it, though? Even stability control wouldn't have saved that--it was a total lack of mechanical grip. :p
At any rate, though, there are cars made without a lot of electronic doodads and some people who like them that way. This is why I've built what I have, rather than actually buying something decent.
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| #29 |
5-27-2006 @ 12:03:49 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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Neither does my car. I've also now got 13" front brakes....
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| #30 |
5-27-2006 @ 04:56:13 PM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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All these electronic interferers helpers make people drive like morons: hey, my car's computer will save me!!! No it won't.
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| #31 |
5-27-2006 @ 05:01:33 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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The electronics buttress the limits somewhat, and will keep you a little safer if you know to back off a little when they start to cut in. There are definitely still some cases, though, where they'll muddy the line between driving the car at the limit, and driving the car over the limit. For the most part, I think they're actually beneficial on daily-driven cars, because most people (myself included) aren't good enough at pedal control to stop a car on a slippery surface very well. However, on dedicated "enthusiast" automobiles, which often aren't driven daily, and usually only wind up at their limits as a result of driver volition, I think they can dilute the experience.
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| #32 |
5-27-2006 @ 05:05:42 PM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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#31, Mmmm... yeah... I guess having them on a daily driver can be a good thing. Perhaps. But the OFF button is a must.
And pedal control... on a practice I found out that a broken brake balance controler actually can affect braking. My POS swaps ends on anything but dry pavement >_<
Need to practice more but there is no space anywhere near my place to do it safely...
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| #33 |
5-28-2006 @ 01:44:26 AM |
| Posted By : Kranium |
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#29, Your car is very nice. It's good to see a mustang owner without the typical "omg straightline, yo!" mindset. But what gives about the lack of ABS? Especially on a performance car.
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| #34 |
5-28-2006 @ 04:12:48 AM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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#33, Simple. ABS actually makes the braking distance longer. Yep. That's a fact. And when it's slipper you almost have no braking at all. Same thing with potholes (wheel in the air = ABS cuts braking off and doesn't turn it back on fast enough when the wheel lands again)). Sure, you shouldn't brake in potholes but sometimes you have to.
On the last amateur rally there were two cars with ABS (Alfa 156 and Opel Astra GSi). On one slippery stage both ended up in the green. Alfa 3 times, Astra two times. It was so slippery that the ABS "decided" not to brake at all.
And in performance driving it is good to be able to lock the wheels at a whim (mainly road/rally driving).
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| #35 |
5-28-2006 @ 04:14:45 AM |
| Posted By : Altima35se2003 |
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#34, or Ottawa winter roads with 1000lbs of records in a 2000 Impala. All I could do was lift my hands up and shrug my shoulders.
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| #37 |
5-29-2006 @ 01:21:54 AM |
| Posted By : Kranium |
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#34, It's not as much that, as the fact that it's hard to find a car without ABS anymore, especially a performance one. Unless you buy a baseline kia, or something.
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| #38 |
5-29-2006 @ 03:12:10 AM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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#37, When we talk about performance driving...
...I think no ABS and no power brakes.
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