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on: 05-26-2009
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Another car visits the LTR vehicle clinic, my new 88' Camaro |
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| #21 |
5-27-2009 @ 02:16:07 PM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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Or I could light it on fire and push it off a cliff and.... and, I totaly forgot where I was going with that one....
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| #23 |
5-27-2009 @ 02:23:14 PM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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#12, The "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder, the motor that used more power to eat it's own head gasket than it put to the road.....
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| #25 |
5-27-2009 @ 04:34:22 PM |
| Posted By : MxCx |
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#14, Yeah four cylinders cant make power.
Totally forgot that.
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| #27 |
5-28-2009 @ 04:32:36 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#25, I didn't say they can't make power, but they can't make as much power as the V8 that's in it. It's simple physics.
Building up a 4 cylinder is fine for a car that already has a 4 cylinder. But the point of swapping an engine is to make a car faster.
[Edited by Skid on 5-28-2009 @ 04:33:58 AM]
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| #28 |
5-29-2009 @ 12:45:24 AM |
| Posted By : MxCx |
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#27, Where does "cant" stop? There are thousand horsepower four cylinders all over the place now. Sure there are more powerful v8s than that, theres even a 4000hp four cylinder "Integra" dragster.
"there are 8000hp v8 dragsters" and?
For a street car especially, a four cylinder can make more than enough power for anyone here. The only thing stopping people from putting them into, say, an 80s v8 car, is the LOLV8SRAWSUM mindset some people have. Welcome to the 21st century where the phrase "fast four cylinder" is no longer an oxymoron.
[Edited by MxCx on 5-29-2009 @ 12:45:45 AM]
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| #30 |
5-29-2009 @ 01:22:17 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#28, Which is exactly why swapping a V8 isn't absolutely necessary in a car that already has a 4 or 6 cylinder. However, in this case a 4 cylinder won't have the capacity to make as much power as what's in it already. What is the point of going to the trouble of an engine swap to lower the car's ceiling for available horsepower?
It's like I've always said: It's fine to like all kinds of cars, and to be fair to all kinds of automotive cultures. But when you go so far as to pretend that removing a 5.7 liter V8 and swapping in 2.0 liter 4 cylinder is somehow a logical choice, that goes beyond fair....that's descending into blind fanboyism.
I don't give a happy damn what brands the engines come from, what country they're made in, or really even how many cylinders they have. Swapping in a new engine is meant to make the car faster if the current engine is too small, too impractical, or too expensive to build to a satisfactory level.
[Edited by Skid on 5-29-2009 @ 01:25:01 AM]
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| #31 |
5-29-2009 @ 03:44:28 AM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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It's all about striking the perfect compromise between power, cost and streetablity, the 4 cyl loses in that category only really on account of cost, there are 4 cylinders that can pump out a V8 level of power, and do it reliably, but, at the sacrafice of just not being cheap enough for a weekend mechanic to assemble and work on. There's no reason you couldn't jam a 4 cyl engine into this car, but, for much less you can get a V8 that will do just as well in terms of power output and reliability, the extra weight won't hurt too much in the long run, the reason they don't get put into 80's cars that had v8's is there's no point in doing it beyond being able to say "see? told ya so!"
[Edited by Low-Tech Redneck on 5-29-2009 @ 03:45:33 AM]
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| #33 |
5-29-2009 @ 04:09:38 AM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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#32, Exactly, when you find a reliable 4 cylinder that can put out 400HP for a total assembly cost of ~$2,500, call me, until then, the ol' 350 wins time and time again....
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| #34 |
5-29-2009 @ 10:20:45 AM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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#30, I assumed an Evo's engine was actually more/as powerful as an 80s V8... but still it was not that good an idea, the transverse gearbox would be a bitch to make it somehow work in an RWD car. Maybe an STi 2.5l boxer and AWD then?
[Edited by Sensekhmet on 5-29-2009 @ 10:21:36 AM]
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| #35 |
5-29-2009 @ 01:04:35 PM |
| Posted By : MxCx |
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#31, Fair enough. I guess I just like seeing things done differently.
..which is why..I drive..a swapped Honda...... <_<
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| #36 |
5-29-2009 @ 08:16:48 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#34, The stock for stock horsepower is greater, however the ceiling for available horsepower is a different matter. Most 1980s V8s aren't any different from the 1960s and 1970s counterparts, just with more smog equipment, more restrictive exhausts, and lame cam profiles. All easy fixes.
Basically it comes down to either "I can build up my V8, add turbos, and make about 800 hp at 10 psi of boost on 93 octane fuel, or I can go to the trouble of swapping in a 4 cylinder (with who-knows-how-much fabrication work), build it up, add turbos, and make about 800 hp at 50 psi of boost on racing fuel with methanol injection."
[Edited by Skid on 5-29-2009 @ 08:19:02 PM]
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| #37 |
5-30-2009 @ 12:55:42 AM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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Replaced the thermostat, but now the neck on the intake is leaking, will have to get a new one tomorrow. Installed an electric choke on the carb, so now it's much easier to cold start. Tightened up the shift cable to fix shifter slop, timing needs fixed, it's wayyyyyyyy too advanced, backfires up carb, and I need to fix a hole in the trunk that would be an inspection no-no, it's at the bottom of the holder for the donut spare where water got in and rusted it's way out.
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| #38 |
5-30-2009 @ 11:29:19 PM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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The plot thickens, in tracing and marking the plug wires to time it, I just found out, the previous owner has the firing order WRONG... by quite a bit....
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| #39 |
6-05-2009 @ 04:06:45 PM |
| Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck |
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Okay, the degree to which the previous owner butchered the wiring system on this car has now become apparent, I cut out the 1/2'' thick wire he had spliced into the battery that used to be for powering some ungodly huge sub in the trunk, and now the power windows won't work....
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| #40 |
6-06-2009 @ 09:09:20 AM |
| Posted By : Sensekhmet |
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#39, Don't even get me started about wiring on the Frog. The 'audio' system was interesting in particular, as it incorporated different wires and even pieces of rag (no joke!), simply dropped in the footwells and squashed flat with the carpets. One of the first things I did was cut all this shit off just behind the radio: I risked enough in that shitbox without added danger of an electrical fire. Engine bay wiring was and still is a mess and it was probably what killed it in the end.
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