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on: 10-29-2003
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10-29-2003 @ 02:54:40 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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We need one of these in the US. Please..Pontiac Fiero or something?
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10-29-2003 @ 03:00:59 PM |
| Posted By : thirtyseven |
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It is coming here next year, as the Lotus Elise. The Vauxhaul/Opel Speedster are both just re-engineered versions of the Elise. They were even developed entirely by Lotus.
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10-29-2003 @ 03:05:20 PM |
| Posted By : thirtyseven |
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#5, People over here are to afraid of light/small cars for this to ever make it under a major manufacturer's nameplate. Lotus, being a specialty brand will do just fine. In fact, I may mortgage my house so I can be one of the first in line!
[Edited by thirtyseven on 10-29-2003 @ 03:05:45 PM]
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| #7 |
10-29-2003 @ 03:11:28 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#4, Oh, yeah--I forgot that we're actually going to get the Elise soon. It's about time.
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| #8 |
10-29-2003 @ 03:38:19 PM |
| Posted By : DA_MAISTA |
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Try to import one of the Speedster Turbos!
Here in europe, the Opel dealers also handle other GM products like Chevrolet and Caddillac.
Doesn´t that work the other way round with your GM-dealers?
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10-29-2003 @ 03:51:18 PM |
| Posted By : DA_MAISTA |
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OK, I didn´t know that.
So the only way would be to import one of them used or al least from a private owner, which, together with the safety/emissions hassle would make the whole fun quite expensive.
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| #11 |
10-29-2003 @ 04:32:58 PM |
| Posted By : comradesampo |
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#4, Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Speedster/VX220 a lot heavier than the Elise?
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| #13 |
10-29-2003 @ 05:00:02 PM |
| Posted By : thirtyseven |
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#11, It is slightly larger and "softer" but you have to remember that the elise weighs in around 750 Kg fully loaded, with the Speedster being about 100-150 Kilos heavier. Also, it is still a very "minimalist" kind of car, I.E. no floor mats, power anything etc. I personally think that is a good thing, as these cars are supposed to be just pure sports car bliss to drive. And when I say softer, you have to understand that the concept that a sports car must have a rock hard non compliant suspension is largely an American school of thought, as Lotus' genius is how they can engineer a great riding, comfortable car with an incredibly accurate, adjustable chassis.
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10-29-2003 @ 05:56:04 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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as far as i know - GM has no plans to import and rebadge any Speedster/VX220 as a Pontiac Fiero re-encarnate.
I was thinking about the viability of GM doing so a couple of days ago. GM would need some kind of agreement between them and Lotus to have the cars exported to NA. Next - GM would need the Opel Speedster for it's RHD over the VX220 and it's LHD. Hire some ship freighting line to export a number of them to NA (more costs). When it arrives - GM would do market research to see if a afforable mid-sized - mid-engined market still exist that hasn't already been swamped by the Toyota MR2. (i belive GM rated the orginal Fiero as a compact back in the 80's) Next - let GM designers have a go a making the Speedster look "Fieroish". Finally - set a compeditive price and advertise it.
summary - too costly then - even more costlier now. The Fiero is best left as a legend. (even thought i still think that if GM was to use the old design - including the old body style - it would sell as a wonderful niche product for Pontiac)
[Edited by Obsidian on 10-29-2003 @ 06:00:24 PM]
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| #15 |
10-29-2003 @ 08:16:00 PM |
| Posted By : comradesampo |
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#13, Sadly the American Elise is suffering badly from bloat -- it's up to 900kg dry.
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7-19-2004 @ 06:30:48 AM |
| Posted By : cams116 |
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#15, That is hella heavy. I've had a ride in the top model one over here, and that was 870kgs or something, but all options, very nice car. And I can tell you 160kmh in 3rd with pleatly left like || that far off the road is awesome, THEN you see how fast they stop.
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