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| Comments: 64 (Read/Post) Favorites: 1 (View) |
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on: 10-01-2007
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2008 Cadillac CTS |
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| #41 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:39:48 PM |
| Posted By : Subourbon187 |
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#36, Looking at the numbers, Crown Vic sales would add 46,188 CYTD to the number which would make the grand total of land barges: 212,643. But looking at the % changes for the monthly and yearly sales between now and last year each car brand seems to be losing sales.
#38, I'd probably go foreign too, but I'd probably buy a Mercedes or mid range Porsche. But as far as land barges go I'd swing towards a Caddy.
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| #42 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:41:04 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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Realistically speaking, I could probably afford a German car but keep modifying mulletmobiles instead.
*shrug*
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| #43 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:44:12 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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#40, That's how we find out how things are better than others.
All 4 are luxuary brands. All 4 cater to volume sales. All 4 have compeating products in differnt segments. All 4 have strenghts and weaknesses. All but 1 have a sotried past and all but 3 were created in a board room and named after a female striper.
That's why we compare. You don't say "You can't compare a STS to a 3, a Caddy is prestious!!" That's just living on the name and doesn't provide proof (something I thought you'd be looking for). I've once heard someone say that because a Ferrari 430 is a Ferrari, that it should have to prove it's worth by racing against a "lowly" Z06.
I compare Caddy with BMW, Benz and Lex because Caddy has products that compete with those brands products in various segments.
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| #44 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:46:26 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#41, So in other words, total sales of all Panther cars is 63,860, compared to total sales of RWD Fords, which is 110,048.
Oh cra....
[Edited by Skid on 10-06-2007 @ 05:46:44 PM]
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| #45 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:47:27 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#43, When it comes to cars, there is rarely "better." Generally, it's just "different."
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| #47 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:52:30 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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#40, As for the CV's.
TC + GM = 63,860
Crown Victora September 2007 sales.
http://media.ford.com/article_displ...rticle_id=26906
Crown Victora - 3,520 : CYTD - 46,188
46,188 + 63,860 = 112,048 Panther
112,048 > 102,595.
Nevermind that all of the fiqures are lower than thier 2006 numbers for all 5 brands which includes fleet sales, but then again, you're insistant that 60 year old people will be here forever to buy these cars and that "Children of the Bling" will also be there too...forever...because they all want cars like that.
Not that it's a fad or anything. Becuase we all know how long fads last.
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| #50 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:55:53 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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#44, All RWD fords? You're not inching to incude the Mustang and Ford Trucks into this, are you, because that's just muddining the water to suit your belive that everyone wants a RWD vehicle.
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| #52 |
10-06-2007 @ 05:56:33 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#49, Yeah, people will get fed up with their grandparents and get rid of them any day now.
GET IN THE DAMN BOX, GRANDPA.
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| #53 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:03:20 PM |
| Posted By : Subourbon187 |
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There will always be a market for land barges, you can throw sales numbers and your own opinion at the situation all you want to but the plain and simple fact is that cushy 3 ton cars are probably here to stay. And if Cadillac and Lincoln sales are any indication then it must be true that there is a parallel to be drawn between makes and who they appeal to.
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| #54 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:04:52 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#50, I'm talking about full sized RWD Ford sedans, Captain Strawman, and you know this. This is not an argument about the superiority of RWD.
And how in the hell do you justify that 112,048 Panther number? It appears as if you added the 46,188 Crown Victorias to GMs tally. Muddle your numbers much?
And yes, 60 year old people will be here forever. Unless you kill everyone when they hit 59.
[Edited by Skid on 10-06-2007 @ 06:06:32 PM]
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| #55 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:09:59 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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#54, No, I haven't muddled anything.
TC + GM = 63,860
TC = Town Car
GM = Grand Marquis
CV = Crown Victoria
TC + GM + CV = 122, 048
As for the 112,048 Panthers vs. GM's 102,595 K's and H's, it's called fleet sales, the less desireable alternative over retail sales.
[Edited by Obsidian on 10-06-2007 @ 06:10:33 PM]
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| #56 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:11:54 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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#53, Until they build better cars to reverse their steady decline.
[Edited by Obsidian on 10-06-2007 @ 06:13:43 PM]
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| #57 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:12:58 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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#54, Because people 60 years of age now still associtate Cadillac with the height of luxuary.
Tomorrow's 60 year old doesn't think so, and it shows (S-class, 7)
[Edited by Obsidian on 10-06-2007 @ 06:14:21 PM]
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| #58 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:18:27 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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Oh, I see. You weren't including the fleet sales. Or were you? Uh oh, I'm confused! Lets backtrack.
From Post #28: Both sales results include retail and fleet sales. (referring to post #23)
From Post #34: CYTD sales of all Panther cars - 63,860
Either you were lying in post #28 and were counting only retail sales in #23, or you for some reason swtiched from retail and fleet in #23 to retail only when you brought up the overall Panther sales in #34. Which is it?
Or, perhaps you do as I think you did, and add the Crown Victorias sales to the Panther sales to produce that magical 112,000+ number in post #47. In other words, you are artificially inflating, and doing it in the most ridiculously obvious way possible.
[Edited by Skid on 10-06-2007 @ 06:20:49 PM]
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| #59 |
10-06-2007 @ 06:38:18 PM |
| Posted By : Obsidian |
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What? All of the number are for both fleet and retail.
As for the "CYTD sales of all Panther cars - 63,860", thats including ONLY the CYTD sales of both the TC and the GM, considering that we were still on the subject of luxuary land barges, the CV wasn't factored in as it's just a full size car. That, and Ford no longer sells the CV here for retail is also why the CV was excluded the first time around.
When the CV CYTD (46,188) sales were added to the existing CYTD panther sales (TC = 25,580)(GM = 38,280) the result is 110,048....
A HA! I see it! Post #47 It's not an artificial inflation, it's a typing error. I pressed 2 instead of 0. I got all the other digits correct.
110048 is still greater than 102,595, which still doesn't solve anything or legitimize the case for luxuary land barges for younger people.
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| #60 |
10-06-2007 @ 08:59:36 PM |
| Posted By : Subourbon187 |
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#56, So automakers will ignore 60+ years of producing large automobiles and forsake the millions of people who they appeal to just because of a relatively small % sales decline this year? You know how GM works...They'll take note of the poor sales numbers, decide to change a few aspects of the current model; maybe beef up the engine, stiffen the suspension, add some extra numbers to the nameplate which really don't mean anything. All this will allow the current model year to run out until the redesign and reap enough of a profit to still keep the nameplate alive. Then there'll come said redesign, GM will pay millions for a huge, flashy ad campaign full of sexy people and the general public will get excited enough to buy up a buttload of the model in the first couple years. Then interest will wain and the process will repeat itself over and over again.
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