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| #82 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:15:39 PM |
| Posted By : Jurrell |
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This will never end. This is the same arugment as the RWD vs. FWD and the 4WD vs All wheel drive. If crumple zones were so stupid, every car maker would not use them and need to pass crash tests.
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| #83 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:16:07 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#78, How much of a load is it really bearing? A light alluminum engine block (in most cases) and some thin sheetmetal? If it crumples like paper at less than 30 mph, it can't be too much.
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| #84 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:16:18 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#79, What about F1 and Indy cars--those things are open wheeled and the only rigid part is the driver compartment (mainly so the driver doesn't get his legs cut off); the rest is designed to shear off, crumple, or otherwise distort to help the vehicle disperse its momentum. Yet amazingly, survival rates in crashes with those vehicles are surprisingly high.
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| #85 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:17:34 PM |
| Posted By : solid_snake |
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#79, does bring up an interesting point though, some spectacular wrecks have been survived because of the way the car was designed to absorb the impact
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| #86 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:18:06 PM |
| Posted By : Biohazard |
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Seriously though, in a high speed collision, or any collision for that matter, I would much rather have the car stay intact then have parts of the "crumple zone" come up inside my body.
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| #87 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:18:52 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#80, Yeah, so you come to a more abrupt halt. If you're properly restrained, that doesn't matter much. You might pass out from the shock, or you could break your neck (as Biohazard said, how often does that happen?). I'd take my chances with both over a car designed to collapse.
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| #88 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:19:08 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#83, Quite a bit of a load, actually. They're called subframes for a reason. The part of the car that defines a "unibody" is actually the midsection; the front and rear still have an incredible amount of metal in them. Take a look at a recent Mustang--the subframe is incredibly rigid, but the rest of the sheet metal in front of it is highly deformable. If you really want to see some stuff, look up the engine cradle weight of an MN12 (Thunderbird/Cougar/Mark VII); it's supposedly up in the hundreds of pounds.
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| #89 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:20:02 PM |
| Posted By : MxCx |
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Ok, who can explain what EXACTLY a crumple zone is? Obviously some people dont know.
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| #90 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:20:58 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#86, Well, part of the idea is that they are supposed to try and strike a compromise between those two things.
And it's not just literally a broken neck you have to worry about. If you experience massive deceleration from high speed, your internal organs aren't going to like it much, either.
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| #91 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:22:27 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#84, Why is it that every other season I hear about some driver who ends up getting his legs chopped off because of those accidents? Survival rate, maybe, but apart from some flimsy material surrounding the rigid, small drivers compartment, their legs are the first line of defense.
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| #92 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:23:02 PM |
| Posted By : Biohazard |
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Ok, try driving a car straight into a wall at 60 mph. What would you rather be in, a Volvo, or this crap?
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| #93 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:24:00 PM |
| Posted By : MxCx |
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Think of it this way: Run into a wall 2 times. On the first time hold up a metal crate on your chest, see how that feels. Second try; a cardboard box. Which one feels better?
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| #94 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:24:13 PM |
| Posted By : camino83 |
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the main problem i have with newer cars is in low speed crashes. in a solid car you might have a bruise from the seatbelt and maybe a lil whiplash, but in a new one...you probably have a lesser bruise, as well as possible whiplash..and depending on your airbag you might have a facial fracture too, but you have no car. Those are the only crashes that really matter to me...cause if i hit something going 50+ either someone cut my break lines or i deserve whats comin to me. thats my viewpoint anyway.
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| #95 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:24:40 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#89, A part of the car (usually at the front or rear) designed to "collapse" in an accident, apparently to disperse the energy away from the driver.
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| #97 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:24:51 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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http://members.aol.com/cErick5563/physics/crumple.html
"Crumple zones are created by the integration of variable grades of steel and fiberglass into the front and rear-end assemblies of the automobile. Occasionally, crumple zones are used in the actual frame of the automobile, creating a point for the frame to buckle when subjected to extreme stress. These crumple zones yield during impact, redirecting the energy of the collision---often reducing the chance of injury to the driver."
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| #98 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:25:55 PM |
| Posted By : Biohazard |
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#93, If you hold a cardboard box in front of you, you smash into the wall. They both suck. The fact is, no matter what, getting into a high speed accident sux ass. I would feel a lot safer if my car remained more intact.
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| #99 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:26:20 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#96, Hell if I know. Most types of racing have at least one crash per race.
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| #100 |
11-20-2003 @ 10:26:39 PM |
| Posted By : MxCx |
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#94, The problem with crumple zones is that they work all too well at low speeds. and while the driver may be fine (success!) the car will go to pot (d'OH!)
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