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URL: http://riceornot.ricecop.com/?auto=28534
Submitted by: Jurrell
Comments: 156  (Read/Post)     Favorites: 0  (View)
Submitted on: 11-19-2003
View Stats Category: Vehicle Misc
Description:
Honda Accord!


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#101
11-20-2003 @ 10:27:26 PM
Posted By : Lemming Reply | Edit | Del
Simulation of impact physics available here:

http://www.materialworlds.com/sims/...t_speed_cb.html


#102
11-20-2003 @ 10:27:49 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#93, Depends on how fast you're running. If you're in a full sprint (granted you could manage that with a metal box on your chest), the cardboard box isn't going to be much protection: Either the metal will hurt your chest, or the wall will hurt your chest. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

#103
11-20-2003 @ 10:28:24 PM
Posted By : Lemming Reply | Edit | Del
#100, Yes, that is annoying. However, if I'm going to have a major crash, I actually would rather try my luck in a vehicle where some parts are designed to deform somewhat.

#104
11-20-2003 @ 10:29:44 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#103, That's what the bumper is for. :)

#105
11-20-2003 @ 10:30:22 PM
Posted By : solid_snake Reply | Edit | Del
#99, so every other year some poor bastard loses his legs, while the other drivers come out fine....

#106
11-20-2003 @ 10:30:31 PM
Posted By : Lemming Reply | Edit | Del
#102, Yet there is the possibility that the cardboard will reduce the average impulse experienced during the impact. You're saving nothing by hitting the wall directly with the metal box, but having something deformable may give you some benefit.

#107
11-20-2003 @ 10:30:59 PM
Posted By : Adambomb Reply | Edit | Del
#100, that's why I want a car with steel bumpers

#108
11-20-2003 @ 10:32:27 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#105, How many stock car drivers do you hear about losing their legs?

#109
11-20-2003 @ 10:33:28 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#106, Why not just run slower?

#110
11-20-2003 @ 10:33:31 PM
Posted By : MxCx Reply | Edit | Del
#103, Of course. The real fact of the matter is this. There is no perfect car. Solid cars are less safe for passnegers and better for the cars themselves. "Crumple zone" cars are safer for passengers but leave the car totaled (in most cases) So there is no argument. Its all pointless.

Car safety is just a precaution. All you have to do is drive fairly safe and you should be fine. Its everyone else ya gotta watch out for.

[Edited by MxCx on 11-20-2003 @ 10:36:24 PM]


#111
11-20-2003 @ 10:33:36 PM
Posted By : Biohazard Reply | Edit | Del
#102, EXACTLY!! Thats what I'm trying to say. Either way, a high speed accident is going to suck. If the car stays intact, you have a much higher chance of surviving in a high speed accident. In a low speed accident, a crumple zone will probably keep you from getting hurt as much (if the airbag doesn't burn your face off), but in a high speed accident, you will have the other car and parts of your car all inside your personal space.

I'll stick with a brick in an accident, thank you very much.


#112
11-20-2003 @ 10:34:27 PM
Posted By : Jurrell Reply | Edit | Del
#108, How many stock car drivers get hit at over 230 mph?

[Edited by Jurrell on 11-20-2003 @ 10:35:46 PM]


#113
11-20-2003 @ 10:35:44 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#112, Stock cars go as fast or nearly as fast as open wheel racers.

#114
11-20-2003 @ 10:36:10 PM
Posted By : Lemming Reply | Edit | Del
#108, OMG discussion of the possibilities of crumple zones and soft walls in NASCAR.
http://www.autoracing1.com/MarkC/20...rumpleZones.htm

They mention the basic idea that the "cell" in the middle is supposed to suffer minimal intrusion, but that the crumple zones are supposed to deform. Basically what automakers have been trying to do (with arguably varying levels of success) for years.


#115
11-20-2003 @ 10:37:22 PM
Posted By : solid_snake Reply | Edit | Del
#108, less than I hear about ending up dead

[Edited by solid_snake on 11-20-2003 @ 10:41:16 PM]


#116
11-20-2003 @ 10:37:29 PM
Posted By : Lemming Reply | Edit | Del
#109, Wait, did you just defeat the point of your original straw-man argument? Don't do that.

#117
11-20-2003 @ 10:37:40 PM
Posted By : Skid Reply | Edit | Del
#114, Okay then. So a lot of stock car drivers are about to start losing their legs, I guess.

#118
11-20-2003 @ 10:38:00 PM
Posted By : Lemming Reply | Edit | Del
#115, I was going to post just that, but thought better than to do so.

#120
11-20-2003 @ 10:38:36 PM
Posted By : Low-Tech Redneck Reply | Edit | Del
The more of the car that can crumple/disintigrate while not losing the integrity of the passenger compartment, the better, from a crash survival standpoint. Each part that breaks off or deforms absorbs crash energy that isn't transferred to the vehicle's occupants

#120
11-20-2003 @ 10:38:37 PM
Posted By : Biohazard Reply | Edit | Del
This conversation is seriously going nowhere. Its just a bunch of posts stating the same thing in different words. Neither sidde is ever going to win.


So why don't we all just accept that I am right and call it a night. :-)


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