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on: 01-01-2004
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Cobalt SS |
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| #42 |
1-02-2004 @ 01:41:33 PM |
| Posted By : stang392 |
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#35, what you said in 31 is just the same as saying its cheating
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| #43 |
1-02-2004 @ 01:42:04 PM |
| Posted By : SuperDave479 |
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#36, That was somebody else. I didn't even post on that thread as far as I remember.
[Edited by SuperDave479 on 1-02-2004 @ 01:44:22 PM]
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| #44 |
1-02-2004 @ 01:42:58 PM |
| Posted By : SuperDave479 |
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#38, I've already been over this before. I'm not going over it again for your sake. Sorry.
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| #45 |
1-02-2004 @ 02:09:10 PM |
| Posted By : SuperDave479 |
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#42, Take it how you want then I guess. I don't feel like talking about it anymore. I just wanted to talk about how I thought a Cobalt Supercharged SS would be a good daily driver when this curve ball came out of left field. I didn't mention anything about Mustangs or Camaros.
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| #46 |
1-02-2004 @ 03:45:42 PM |
| Posted By : solid_snake |
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for someone who "doesn't want to talk about it" you seem check here often
[Edited by solid_snake on 1-02-2004 @ 03:47:15 PM]
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| #47 |
1-02-2004 @ 04:34:23 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#27, I was also thinking of some of the other "sport compact" cars, like the often-popular Nissan Sentra (SE-R, perhaps), some of the Focus variants (like the SVT models) and perhaps some of the Protege stuff Mazda has offered, like the Mazdaspeed Protege. Interestingly, about half of the top-model cars in that range seem to have poweradders.
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| #48 |
1-02-2004 @ 04:53:20 PM |
| Posted By : Silverbaby |
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#46, You know what, why they hell don't you leave him alone about it, he wasn't even talking about comparing a damn thing in the begining, he just likes this car cause it has speed and it looks good THAT'S ALL, end of story, he's tired of arguing with you, and I don't blame him.
[Edited by Silverbaby on 1-02-2004 @ 04:55:25 PM]
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| #49 |
1-02-2004 @ 04:56:58 PM |
| Posted By : SuperDave479 |
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#47, Right, it's a popular thing in that segment. How else are ya gonna get good power out of a 4-cyl anyway? Anyway, kudos to GM for stepping up (finally) with a good-looking sport compact with a nice interior with some good power. It's a good thing Bob Lutz came around or we'd probably be talking about another re-hashed new generation slow, ugly Cavalier.
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| #50 |
1-02-2004 @ 04:59:15 PM |
| Posted By : Silverbaby |
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#49, Right. This is more than I was looking for out of Chevy so, good job. :)
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| #51 |
1-02-2004 @ 05:02:39 PM |
| Posted By : SuperDave479 |
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#50, Yeah I would've never considered a Cavalier (or any variant of it) for a daily driver until this came along. I'd rather have a Focus ZX3 than a Cavalier.
Oh what's that? Yes I know it's a Ford. Yes, I'm not a fanboy.
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| #52 |
1-02-2004 @ 05:04:22 PM |
| Posted By : Silverbaby |
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#51, Yeah the Cavaliers just seem boring to me. Yeah you've mentioned that to me before about the ZX3.
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| #53 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:08:56 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#44, What do you have to go over? I fully understand your position in this arguement, and I replied with all there is to say. Or are you just trying to be a smartass because I happen to disagree with you?
[Edited by Skid on 1-02-2004 @ 07:09:49 PM]
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| #54 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:30:34 PM |
| Posted By : stang392 |
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#49, maybe by getting better engineers? i mean if Ford putting an supercharger on a car is because of their engineers suck, then the same most be true of GM. hell GMs must really suck since they put superchargers one damn near everything. also i would think the fact the 03's engine can crank out 600hp on a stock engine (other then the supercharger, chip, and filter), says their engineers in fact don't suck
[Edited by stang392 on 1-02-2004 @ 07:34:36 PM]
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| #55 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:33:11 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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#54, I mentioned that in 38, but Dave said he "didn't want to go over again" just for my sake, so apparently he's already refuted that in another thread. Or maybe he just doesn't have an answer for it. One of the two.
[Edited by Skid on 1-02-2004 @ 07:33:50 PM]
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| #56 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:38:51 PM |
| Posted By : stang392 |
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#55, well i wanted to hit more on how good of a job they did, not why they did it. also you were right, 400hp could have been done without the blower, but it would have drove the price up too much. also putting the 5.4 (their only other small V8) wasn't an option seeing since they assembly line would have had to been redone for it
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| #57 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:46:59 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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#49, As far as hi-po 4-cylinder engines go, there's always the H22A, which is around ~200 hp from an NA 2.2L engine, and they've been offering that for years. I'm sure there are other examples, as well. The current Sentra SE-R gets around 175 HP (and fairly good torque) out of its 2.5L engine.
From what I can tell, in any category, factory power-adder setups, such as the current Cobra and Lightning, GM 3800 SC engines, the Ford Supercoupe and whatnot, the supercharger/turbocharger really doesn't add that much in the way of power--they're invariably over-restricted from the factory. I mean, Nissan gets as much power from their VQ35 engines as GM has ever offered stock in a GTP, if I recall correctly. The real benefit, and what all those companies (Ford's SVT, included) usually shoot for with a supercharger is the illusion of a larger engine--a broader power curve with lots of torque early on. I have little doubt that an NA DOHC 4.6 could see at least 350 HP -cont-
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| #58 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:47:11 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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(and possibly more), but it's doubtful that it would "feel" as good as an engine with a Roots blower strapped to it, simply due to the low-RPM positive displacement effect. Most Americans looking for a performance car would probably prefer nice "lazy" acceleration.
I mean (getting back to this excessively overdone argument), realistically speaking, would anyone say that the GTP "needs" a supercharger to keep up with the Nissan Maxima and V6 Accord? No, I'm sure that GM could probably have thought up some other engine with a comparable level of horsepower in the same displacement range. They chose the 3800 Series II Supercharged and its progeny, probably because the supercharger helps it "feel" bigger and (to a point) keeps engineering costs down and minimizes complexity (at the same time improving serviceability).
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| #60 |
1-02-2004 @ 07:55:25 PM |
| Posted By : Lemming |
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Turbo's a nice fuel-economy option if you're able to drive it off-boost. :-)
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