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on: 06-27-2002
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO
THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,
WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
Take that, Andrew Newdow, you prick. |
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| #41 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:47:03 AM |
| Posted By : CRXtrackguy |
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He sued the government to ban religion FROM THE GOVERNMENT. That's all, no more, no less.
[Edited by CRXtrackguy on 6-27-2002 @ 10:47:39 AM]
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| #42 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:47:47 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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If the pledge was required...which it's not...you're not punished for silence...and if the pledge was worded in a way proclaiming involvement (if it said "we will worship God as one nation"), then I would agree...saying it IS unconstitutional and IS attempting to make people believe one way. But it's none of the above...it's a choice just like it's that guy's chioce to home school his kids or find another school. It's a freedom of ours to say the pledge JUST AS MUCH as it's a freedom of his not to.
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| #43 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:48:33 AM |
| Posted By : Majin Buu |
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It is required unless you have writen permission from a gaurdian.
Meaning you arn't alowed to have your own thoughts apart from your parents
[Edited by Majin Buu on 6-27-2002 @ 10:49:14 AM]
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| #44 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:49:18 AM |
| Posted By : CRXtrackguy |
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It wouldn't matter if he had any kids that went or not. And in many places, it is compulsory. I haven't been in school for a while, but when I went there, if you DIDN'T say it, you got written up for disobeying authority.
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| #45 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:51:23 AM |
| Posted By : Majin Buu |
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It's still the same CRX, I grauated a year or so ago and when I got out you still had to.
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| #46 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:52:22 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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You obviously don't understand how the legal system works. I know he didn't sue to ban religion...only to ban it one way. However...the person who says they are offended by religion in ANOTHER way will be able to sue and will win because of this guy's decision. That's why Bush and Congress are overturning it. Things will spiral out of control with people's pet peeves and there will be nothing we can do to legally say "NO" because of the court precedent (a decision that will be referenced and followed in similar type cases by law from now on). You have to look at he future, keeping in mind our society's view to sue if you are offended or hurt in a small way. Do you agree coffee in the lap is worth $64 million dollars? No, but since someone before that sued for a smaller amount, the legal precedent was set abd the same decision HAD to be granted.
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| #47 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:53:15 AM |
| Posted By : CRXtrackguy |
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And you don't understand how the government works. Bushie and the Congress can't overturn SHIT.
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| #48 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:54:34 AM |
| Posted By : Majin Buu |
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Sure Bush can, as soon as he makes one speach that makes sence...
"I beilive humans and fish can co-exisit, peacfuly" ...
[Edited by Majin Buu on 6-27-2002 @ 10:55:44 AM]
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| #49 |
6-27-2002 @ 10:55:01 AM |
| Posted By : CRXtrackguy |
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He sued to ban it in the way that it should already have banned. The only precedent it sets is that if someone else finds an instance of institutional religion in public schools, they can sue and it HAS to be eliminated. That's all. He didn't sue for damages, or anything. He just wanted it gone.
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| #55 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:22:33 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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Hey, mr_mcmunkee, I found something interesting for you:
“Article 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,--as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,--and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries” (p. 365).
That's article 11 from the Treay with Tripoli (1797). It was written up and signed by the founding fathers of this country. Pay close attention to that first line. So....uhm, what religion was the country founded on again?
"Under god" was added to the Pledge of Alliegiance in 1954. You can thank McCarthyism for that. All other references to God in our government were added around the same time (even our national motto was changed).
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| #56 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:27:50 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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"In God We Trust' did appear on some coins (not paper money) since just after the Civil War, but that's the only exception I can find. The original Pledge said, "one nation, indivisible". Nobody had to say "So help me God" at any time.
The thing that bugs me about this god business is...which one? Thanks to the first amendment, this is a nation of many faiths and many gods. We're the first country to ever welcome religous diversity, and when we're arguing about somebody getting offended over our religiously biased pledge, that doesn't make things look welcoming.
But, I guess it's freedom of religion, as long as Christians get special priviledges.
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| #57 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:36:31 AM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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...didnt bother reading every post...
but here is some stuff to add:
the nation was founded on freedom of religion....not on the pretense that everybody would believe, and many religions dont even have gods, or have more than one.
I am an atheist, I wouldnt say the pledge, I didnt like the under god part, nor the idea of the pledge either. I at least stood up during the event to give respect to the flag and what it means. Peace, freedom, libery, and justice, and those who have fought to protect it.
The "Under God" part was added in 1954 to make us GOOD people, wheras the EVIL Commies were godles people. Its really just another cold war relic, based on paranoia and psychoses.
The ruling banned the pledge, because it has under god, but didnt ban it outright.
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| #58 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:41:15 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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The seperation of church and state argument will not work in this case. That is defined as the government may not SET UP, ESTABLISH, OR ENFORCE a church and/or religion upon it's citizens. None of that occured.
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| #59 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:41:23 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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I'm also an atheist. We're taking over, mr_mcmunkee. (evil laugh) *YOU CANNOT ESCAPE!*
I used to say the pre-1954 version of the Pledge (without "under God"). I never liked forced patriotism, but I always whole-heartedly said the Pledge. I never observed any sort of "moment of silence", though. That's just dumb, and it singles out anyone who isn't praying.
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| #60 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:42:49 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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If you live and benefit from this country, why the hell don't you shut up about all this oppression that is(or isn't) taking place. Only you can make your life better. Only you can keep yourself down. Don't blame anyone but yourself. If you blame others, you are a complete moron.
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