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on: 06-27-2002
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO
THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,
WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
Take that, Andrew Newdow, you prick. |
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| #61 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:44:18 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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The Constitution simply states the government shall not establish and specific organized religion. (thus the reason its called the Establishment clause). The framers never stated or indicated in any way that the government must be kept completely independent of religion. Hell, they even held a prayer the day the wrote the blessed thing!
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| #62 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:44:23 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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Well, honestly, if you have all these things representative of our government that endorse the Judeo-Christian deity, then that's endorsing the Judeo-Christian ethic. Without separation between church and state, freedom of religion is impossible.
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| #63 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:45:32 AM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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mr_mcmunkee is being rather ignorant I think...not trying to flame, just saying, there is much more than 1 way to look at it. It isnt an attack on the religion, but making the public system constitutionally correct. The phrase "under god" singles out those who dont believe in god (atheist, or other religion without a god), and those who have more than 1 god.
Being an atheist has been healthy for me, I'm not tied up with my decisions, and able to act on my own conscious. I am just plain indifferent to religion, I dont hate it, I dont want it ALL gone, I wont crusade against it. People can do whatever they want regarding their beliefs, but when they imply those on others, in any way, then it is wrong.
In this case, the government did that, and the decision was constitutional.
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| #64 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:47:14 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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And at what point will the vicious cycle of trying to please everyone end? I don't see the need for this decision, and I don't see the need for ridiculous trials such as this. At a time when major crimes are committed against individuals and we as a nation we are worried about the wording of a phrase because it says "GOD," when 95% of the world believe in a GOD of some sort. Seems to me a better ruling would have been on something in regards to harsher punishments to those that would harm others, or destroy the economy through corporate fraud. There are MUCH worse things in this country to be taking up court time and tax dollars with...you HAVE to agree with that, right?
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| #65 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:48:11 AM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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yes, they set up a situation in which people in a government institution (public schools) had to recognize certain religions as the ones that the US operates under. They established a means of doing this...building schools, and providing materials. And enforced...required it to be done- didnt require kids to participate, just required that the event actually take place
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| #66 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:48:30 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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As I said, freedom of religion, as long as Christians get special priviledges over everyone else.
Hey, mr_mc, what do you think would happen if we have a Christian government, and some Christian teacher made the child of a Hindu pray to Jesus? Then it goes to the Supreme Court. Since the government is Christian (and since it endorses the Judeo-Christian god in all it's functions), who's going to win in that case? The Christians, of course.
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| #68 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:49:35 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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Moose, you're an aethiest and a good American too it seems. If you don't agree with someone else's ways, you seem to keep it to yourself and not whine to have your ways declared "right" over theirs. We needs more people like you. Less frivilous lawsuits, fights, and murders would occur.
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| #69 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:54:19 AM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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Well, the guy who won this law suit was likely a member of groups who have sole purpose of examining the constitutionality of government functions. Much like the NAACP, who examines all sorts of things involving the government and race issues, looking for a reason to sue. They primarily do this to make the government run "correctly" but also do it to make money and win support for their cause.
This is just another case of that.
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| #70 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:55:11 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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Why are you so upset about the government carrying on the traditions of what the people who founded the country? So they are Christians, but the government isn't. If you want a Hindu, a Buddhist, or an Aethieist in office...vote for them or run yourself. There is nothing in the law or government set-up stopping someone from a different religion from taking office as long as they are a citizen. If other religions are the minority and don't get votes...you can't blame anyone...you'll just have someone in office who represents the miajority...and that's the most beneficial government.
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| #71 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:56:18 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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Yeah, those kind of people can be so ridiculous with their agenda's to change the country to make them happy...another fine example is PETA. They run around naked and are violent just because they don't like meat.
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| #72 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:56:43 AM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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In response to post #60....if you want to see opression, you should have gone to high school with me. I live in Mississippi, which is one of the most fanatical parts of the Bible belt. I had to deal with fights, death threats, and simple teasing every day. One guy even told me he'd put me in the hospital to make me "accept Jesus." And these people get very defensive about not being able to get the government to endorse their religion.
Atheists such as myself do not argue over these principles for our own benefit (well, I can't speak for everyone, but this in the general consensus), but rather we believe in a fair, free government where no religion get priviledges that other religions don't. Why can't it just be a personal matter? Why do Americans insist on their government endorsing a particular god?
Equal rights does not mean special rights.
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| #73 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:58:58 AM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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That guy in Mississippi is the same as the people who fight to ban religion in a lot of cases. You can't judge a whole group by a few idiots. Moose is an aetheist....I'm not....however, I agreed with himmand complimented him on some things. If all people could stop being so selfish or drop their stupid agenda's this would be a great, peaceful nation for all.
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| #74 |
6-27-2002 @ 11:59:01 AM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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but there are hindus, buddhists, atheists, and others in office. I'm sure they dont enjoy going to functions such as the senate, where the group prays together before each meeting. People who founded this country were mostly christian...but did not plan it as a solely christian country. The whole reason of having the court system is to analyze the constitution and decide what the guys meant when writing it. Traditionally, the constitution has been interpreted as such: People who founded this country were mostly christian...but did not plan it as a solely christian country.
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| #76 |
6-27-2002 @ 12:01:24 PM |
| Posted By : Skid |
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"Why are you so upset about the government carrying on the traditions of what the people who founded the country?"
Read post #55 again.
Sorry if I'm coming off as upset, it's just that this is a touchy subject for me, with as much crap as I had to put up with growing up as an atheist. Much of the shit I faced everyday was endorsed by the school itself. Whatever they didn't endorse, they turned a blind eye to (such as the guy who threatened to put me the hospital....about 10 other people witnessed what he said, but they didn't do anything to him). I live in a place where Separation of church and state doesn't exist, so I know what it's like not to have it. It's just one of those issues that I consider to be important, because freedom of religion is one of the most pervasive and important freedoms we have.
[Edited by Skid on 6-27-2002 @ 12:04:33 PM]
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| #77 |
6-27-2002 @ 12:02:38 PM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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I live in oregon, far from the bible belt. I've been given crap for being an atheist, nowhere near death threats though. Bible thumpers here have grilled me for hours. Things that happen in everyday life that offend me: religious groups, specifically mormons and J witnesses, come to my door, and actually tell me I'm not living the right way, and need to join them and give them my money....I want to punch them in the face. At school some mornings, old guys (I think they're mormons) stand outside the school...on the school's property, and pass out bibles to children, I dont like this at all either.
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| #78 |
6-27-2002 @ 12:04:52 PM |
| Posted By : CRXtrackguy |
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People did that at my school too. I took great pleasure in refusing them, and my best friend got a kick out of waving his Star of David at them. I am, personally, an athiest, and I have nothing against faith. Organized religion I dislike, but can tolerate. But when someone tries to push their beliefs on me, I get pissed.
[Edited by CRXtrackguy on 6-27-2002 @ 02:29:13 PM]
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| #79 |
6-27-2002 @ 12:05:04 PM |
| Posted By : Moose |
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wow, skid got it rough, in that case, your rights were horribly violated, if indeed the school did nothing about it. Threats of bodily harm are illegal, but even more so in public schooling...which you're required to attend (well, unless you want to attend religious private schools)
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| #80 |
6-27-2002 @ 12:05:26 PM |
| Posted By : mr_mcmunkee |
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But most Christians are not pushy or violent. It's the extreme ones that have some sort of goal that get violent and offensive...if they really were Christians and read the Bible, they'd know that type of lifestyle and manner are not Christian-like. It would be like if you were a little boy asking a baseball player for an autograph and he said "get away little dick"...you'd have a bad view on all baseball players most likely. I admit there are good and bad people in EVERY group, but you can't judge all by a few.
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